I find the discussion, as it has taken place below, interesting. But I've been thinking, and I believe we might be chasing around in circles. I thought I'd open this up with a new thread (new threads = more traffic) with a question that I think might bring clarity to this discussion:
Why is it wrong to harm other people?
You could ask when, as well, but we'll stick to this for now. Have fun.
Bumped to the top, because I want to see what everyone has to say.